LispOS: LispEnv or Tunes?
Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:10:51 -0700
>From: "Bill House" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>To: "Kelly Murray" <email@example.com>
>Subject: Re: LispOS: LispEnv or Tunes?
>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:03:32 -0700
>Kelly Murray wrote:
>> If one believes JAVA is really going to "take over",
>> then the really smart developer will just join the bandwagon.
>> They don't need no stinken LISP! They've got JAVA.
>> And don't tell me we can change the JVM to make it work great for Lisp.
>> If you believe that, you are crazier than I am.
>Pardon my saying so, but this seems somewhat sideways from what I'm thinking.
>1. I don't believe anyone expects to change (or run on) the JVM. Instead, I'd
>like to borrow their approach to attaining Ubiquity (i.e. a browser-embeddable
>VM) and perhaps support real-time translation of their bytecodes into the
>native wordcode format of a Lisp VM (this as a non-core feature). That's very
>different from the Lisp-on-JVM approach.
But "they" already have this turf staked out! No one is going to
modify their browser to include a Lisp VM when they already have a
Java VM. Even if you make a free plug-in available for the LVM, do you
really think anyone is going to download the monster? I don't!
>3. This web server SilkOS idea (cool name) seems to be just a LispM with HTTP
>support. It's not much different (if at all) from what you can already do today
>with existing Lisp products. Unfortunately, all by itself, it has no ability
>to distribute processing to the client, or to support mobile agents between
>client and server (unless it serves up Java). Why not have it collaborate with
>a browser-embedded Lisp VM instead?
Because no browser is going to be so enhanced! The way to make a
dent is to have a web server follow the established standards such as
poor ignorant masses with their buggy browsers never have to know that
they're talking to a lisp system! They just know that this web site
does neat things. In the meantime, we can all make a nice living
writing lisp web apps in our nice lisp environment.