My only opinion on this is that I want to be sure to be able to *NOT* use POS. Similarly, wrt GC, I want to be able to allocate/deallocate memory myself on occasion, and not have the GC involved. Of course I want the GC avaiable, and used on most of my objects. Christopher (Chris) J. Vogt mailto:vogt@novia.net Omaha, NE http://www.novia.net/~vogt/