A Summary of Project so far [Re: Kernel LISP - how low down can it go?]
Fri, 23 May 97 12:57:01 +0200
Patrick Logan writes:
> Dwight> For the user interface, CLIM will certainly be important,
> Dwight> as will X (CLX?). Beyond that, there has been no more
> Dwight> detailed discussion.
> Gack. X? Only as a temporary measure, eh?
My reason for proposing X11 was
1) You can use the Video card drivers of the XFree project. Modern VGA
cards are so complex I can't imagine we want to double that effort.
2) You can use LispOS remote, as a whole or parts of it.
Of course, using the XFree server requires to run a nearly full Unix
kernel. But if you don't want that, you could use you LispOS
environment on a remote X11 display.
> I have to follow the links
> to current free CLIM implementations.
There is the "Free CLIM effort", at
> I remember there was one about
> 7-10 years ago that was fairly far along. I guess in those days it was
> a Genera-clone, not a CLIM clone.
This was expresswindows, a Dynamic Windows clone. You can find a
version adapted to current free CL implementations on the Free CLIM
> There are two or three GUI/graphics projects to replace X with
> something more ideal on Linux. Maybe these are known to this list as
I know only about VGAlib, but then I'm a FreeBSD user :-)
Let us know more about the alternatives. As ugly as X11 sometimes is,
I think that efficiency is sufficient on today's machines and that the
advantage of remote usage is worth some trouble.
"Display Ghostscript" is upcoming (see www.gnustep.org), in my opinion
a very interesting alternative to using Xlib for a new GUI
framework. It is using X11 as a front end, if I'm not mistaken, so
that doesn't change the requirement anyway.
Martin Cracauer <email@example.com>
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