A revolutionary OS/Programming Idea
Lynn H. Maxson
Lynn H. Maxson" <lmaxson@pacbell.net
Thu Oct 9 20:09:02 2003
John Newman writes:
"...Sounds like Spinoza. Most scientist agree that there are a
finite amount of distinguishable objects in the universe and a
finite amount of distinguishable events in its history. The
convolutions of reality imply discreteness. Whether or not the
universe is continuous or discrete is inconsequential if both
produce the same, indistinguishable effect--making the
distinction would be moot. ..."
Well, they're wrong.<g> Your friendly neighborhood physicist
could set you straight on this one. The universe is in
continuous motion with all parts joined seamlessly. What may
be distinguishable at one level is indistiguishable at another.
Moreover what is distinguishable in one language, one man's
map making tool, may not exist in another's. Perhaps the
most interesting of these are languages without a sense of
discrete units of time: they don't have seconds, minutes,
hours, or days.
Basically it's not discrete. At some point down the quantum
chain no boundary exists. Our language fails to map, i.e. to
express, reality frequently. You don't have to go further than
G. Spencer Brown's "The Laws of Form" to see that we as
humans make distinctions as our primary action. Those
distinctions are arbitrary. We frequently redraw the lines,
create a different set of distinctions from the same
observations. We do that regardless that reality operates
without the need to do so.
"... However, if we had an accurate unified model of the
universe, we would only need a subset of the data to reverse
engineer , so to speak, its causal chain and surmise the entire
history of the system. ..."
Tell you what, let's get back to this one once we can predict
the weather 100% say for an entire month. I don't mean an
approximation. I mean the same every square inch. Let's do
something simple first, then work our way up to the
universe.<g>
I'm always cautious when people go from something "like"
something else to the point of indistinguishable and then make
the leap to something now "is" something else. We get only
one side of the equation, the side we create, and then make
the leap that the other side must operate in the same manner
as they are indistinguishable.
"...Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle does not employ or
support the notion that matter, space, or time is infinitely
dividable. It just says that observing a sub-atomic object
alters its orientation, procluding complete knowledge of its
previous orientation. However, if we had an accurate unified
model of the universe, we would only need a subset of the
data to reverse engineer , so to speak, its causal chain and
surmise the entire history of the system. ..."
Well, to have an accurate unified model of the universe we
would have to account for our observation of it. We would
have some difficulty observing the effect of our observations.
Basically we agree on this aspect of Heisenberg's Principle
which effectively says it makes little sense to talk of an
accurate model of the universe when we agree that it's not
possible. Nor is it possible for any subset. The best we can
achieve is an approximation which has an ultimate limit, again
a result of Heisenberg's Principle, beyond which we cannot go.
"...You say we want to believe in determinism so we don't
have to believe in free-will. To the contrary, QM has
harbored indeterminism for more than, at least, 60 years. But
that derived from philosophical preference, not empirical
knowledge. ..."
No, I think we want to include as much as possible within the
realm of science and the scientific method. We want to be
able to predict even with statistical accuracy to reflect
probabilistic phenomenon we observe. Unfortunately reality
itself has no use for free will or determinism. As Korzybski
said, "There are no contradictions in nature".<g>
"...My point was that adaptable software can evolve in ways
that the programmer never intended. But, as to your
response, there are some functions whose output cannot be
predicted any faster than just running the function. No
equation or other shortcut can be used in less steps to find
the output at a given point. This is probably the case with
evolution. We just have to build a model, and run it. ..."
My point is that it isn't adaptable in the first place. Adaptable
software doesn't and can't occur. It can't because it can't be
limited by a fixed instruction set (machine), fixed logic
(machine), and fixed programming (software). Design a
machine without an instruction set, not based on logic, and
which requires no external programming. If you do, you can't
possibly write software for it. You may, just may, engage in
behavorial modification which may or may not have the
desired effect.<g>
Again you miss the point on predicting output. It's not that we
"theoretically" cannot. It's that we practically cannot due to
our human limits. That's why we invent tools that do the
same as we would, i.e. engage in the same logical process, if
we didn't have those limits. Only we know what the tool, the
software, is doing. The software does not. It doesn't even
care. It has no interest in predicting anything. That's our
interest. That's why we have to tell it what to do. It's our
way of overcoming our limits.
"...To tie this into programming languages--The ideal language
base should be simple and be able to emulate any or many
current, or as yet to be created, programming languages
(perhaps based on NAND logic). It should be portable through
a small and simple interpeter. The interpreter should be only
complex enough to be implementable by the simple language,
which the subsequent library would implement. The library
could contain all the languages one wants. ..."
This one I've nailed down with PL/I, APL2, and LISP along with
logic programming.<g>
"...Not the word, but the objective phenomenon that the word
evolution represents, exists in reality. Perhaps you don't think
that speciation exists in reality, but evolution is not just a
figment of imagination. I think your conceptualization of
semantics is becoming a crutch for you. It says, "I don't need
to listen to you because what you say may not correspond to
reality." ..."
Apparently you don't subscribe to the big bang theory, a
cause, in which the universe expands up to a point after
which it begins to collapse eventually completely, an effect,
only to become a big bang again. Actually I believe that
change is constant. By implication I have to believe in
evolution: things change. I believe in the scientific method
although it doesn't exist in reality. It is a human-only system,
as are all systems, all distinctions that we make.
I really wished I was a master of D. David Bourland's E-prime
which eliminates all uses of the verb "to be", what general
semanticists call the "is of identity". That's part of the reason
behind Korzybski's "Science and Sanity", offering a
non-Aristotelian view of the universe. Let's just leave it at
that.
Someday perhaps we will understand sentience. Right now
we have to content ourselves with the word. We need to
remember that all we have is the word and the word is not
the thing.