keith.poole at gmail.com
Thu Mar 15 06:39:19 PDT 2007
I've read the Alan Kay article and it does sound very similar to the
current Tunes idea - their idea of 'bootstrapping' into an operating
system sounds like a plan.
1) Design & write a virtual machine in some suitable language (c, c++,
Java, Python?), which will run on a current operating system
3) Write a native code generator to convert VM code to machine code
4) Use this compiler to re-write the VM
5) Write the low-level stuff to allow the VM to run on the metal
6) World domination
n) Write Python/Ruby/other languages as required - this should make
their libraries callable from *all* of the other languages (mostly -
apart from a few special cases which will need the wrapper functions)
Sounds easy doesn't it?
Tom Novelli wrote:
> You've got the point... I'll just elaborate on it...
> - Functional-OO paradigm, with first-class functions
> - Simplicity - little syntatic sugar & backward-compatibility baggage
> - ECMA standards
> - A static typing extension (for efficient native code generation)
> With static typing (and a little hacking) you could output machine
> code to a byte array... so you could write a JS compiler, VM,
> Hopefully this VM would support other popular languages (efficiently),
> and there'd be a cross-language library. Now, I like Python because
> it comes with 250 *high-quality* modules... in other languages I'd be
> using lots of 3rd-party add-ons, pulling my hair out in frustration
> over bugs and dependency problems. In theory, the other languages
> could use Python's library, using some wrapper functions where
> necessary to fit the other languages' stylistic differences. This is
> my idea of "Language Integration".
> Going further, we would expect "Language Unification", where everyone
> gradually agrees on stylistic conventions and semantics, until the
> different languages finally merge. (I don't expect ONE language in
> the end, but at least the _arbitrary_ differences ought to disappear)
> cross-language issues later. I just need a static-typing JS compiler...
> As for Ian Piumarta, I was thinking of his "COLA" project (now renamed
> "Albert"). It's still pretty rough, but it includes the beginnings of
> And here's some background info... I did not realize Ian was working
> with Alan Kay, nor have I read anything about VPRI... Sounds like a
> group with similar aims to ours.
> - Tom
> P.S. - I'm giving Gmail chat a try... I'm awake from about 1200-0300
> GMT (weekends are best)
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