migrating to mediawiki
m.dentico at virgilio.it
Wed Oct 19 20:47:08 PDT 2005
> Dear Tunespeople,
> are there people here with some energy for maintaining the Tunes
> project? The Wiki is in a sorry state, and needs to be redone.
Hello Faré and Tunespeople,
motivation and time lack: IMO wikis (at least wikis that I know of)
are hopeless to maintain without *huge* manual intervention.
For example, starting when CiteSeer passed from NEC to PSU
(with mirror at MIT and UniZh) all related links on our
CTO are in need of an update. So, we need to:
a) locate each node with a link to CiteSeer;
b) update such links, possibly agumented with a link to the
same paper on mirrors.
Without an account on tunes.org this is impossible to do
automatically; even with such account, it is inconvenient
and error prone (you know, regular expressions sometimes
have some surprising, hard to notice, results on some texts).
So, I ask: why not morphing CTO in something really TUNES-like?
As Theodor H. Nelson put it, embedded markup is to be considered
harmful. There are some software which reified links and anchors,
but they are, sadly, forgotten. See for example Atlas and
When links and nodes are in a RDBMS, manipulating the graph
structure is certainly simpler than editing text files manually
or with text processing tools: to solve the links update problem
previously stated, a simple SQL UPADATE statement suffice. Also,
referential integrity is checked immediately when an INSERT or
UPDATE is performed.
I think that a quite robust and portable solution can be obtained
starting from (ideas of, if not source code) Atlas, adapting
it to PostgreSQL (or MonetDB) and interfacing all to a web
server with FastCGI (supporteed by most web servers, Apache
Alternatively, has someone here some experience/knowledge about
so-called Content Management Systems (CMSs)?
 CiteSeer at PSU http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/
 CiteSeer at MIT http://citeseer.lcs.mit.edu/cs
 CiteSeer at UniZh http://sherry.ifi.unizh.ch/
 CTO http://cliki.tunes.org
 "Embedded Markup Considered Harmful", Theodor H. Nelson
 "Atlas Hyperlink Database Project"
"An attempt to add referential integrity and navigation
visualization to the World Wide Web."
"Atlas: Supporting the Web with a Distributed Hyperlink Database"
"Supporting the Web: A Distributed Hyperlink Database System"
"Towards an Intelligent Publishing Environment"
other relevant papers at Jim Pitkow's web site:
"Automated Link Maintenance"
 Hyper-G http://cliki.tunes.org/Hyper-G
 PostgreSQL http://www.postgresql.org/
 MonetDB http://monetdb.cwi.nl/Home/
 FastCGI http://www.fastcgi.com/
".. is a language independent, scalable, open extension
to CGI that provides high performance without the
limitations of server specific APIs."
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